Thanks Paul! A learned association, on the other hand, is a prediction made by the individual. An example of the latter is short term memory. He received his 1977 PhD in Psychology from SUNY Stony Brook. For that inference to be valid, we must have already established that ALL consciously performed activities are retained in memory which I donât believe has been experimentally demonstrated. My experience is that the âsimpleâ ones are vague and the precise ones are incomplete.â. The predominant belief is that attentive consciousness is not involved, or minimally involved in the driving, allowing for the daydreaming you mention, and Iâm sure weâve all arrived home without a detailed memory of making that sort of a drive. But it’s not for everyone, so I totally understand if it’s just not your cup of tea. Mike would not consider the brain stem conscious because it does not have the higher level cognitive abilities he finds in the cortex-associated mechanism. The mechanism that produces a unified single consciousness from widely distributed cortical activity in two hemispheres, 6. Consciousness is precisely sentience in the strict meaning of that word. Glad you found it useful. The proto-self is the pre-conscious biological precedent of both core and autobiographical self.â. Iâve recommended Hackerâs paper previously on Schwitzgebelâs âThe Splintered Mindâ so you may have already read it. As a consequence, this feedback from consciousness means that the philosophical âzombieâ is impossible because consciousness can change the brain, so the conscious person and his exact duplicate would not remain identical. Admittedly, this categorization seems like it can actually be broken up into two categories. His latest book is Anxious: Using the Brain to Understand and Treat Fear and Anxiety. A simple knee-jerk reflex does not seem like it is impotent and unmotivated, but I donât think you consider it sentience. Frankly, it could be said that mankind’s exemplary nervous system may be the Door to its doom, and not the ‘advanced’ example of terrestrial Intelligence here, among alternatives, quick vanishing. 2. My affections lend hope to the prospect, if ever there was one; meanwhile ‘causation’ collapses, and I survive in retreat from a world not my own. If you know of a hypothesis other than DamÃ¡sioâs thatâs anchored in a realistic biologically-centered definition of consciousness that proceeds to theorize a credible mechanism for the processing, resolution and âdisplayâ of conscious feelings, please advise. Iâve been slow to respond because my unquestionably conscious 12 year-old mini-Schnauzer has been in need of some veterinary attention. This assignment of functionality is the only element of BRASH that has been discussed. My dog, Poquita Loca, stayed overnight at the vet, a new vet for us in whom I have great confidence. I observe them as being both Objective and Subjective roots from which is grown the Paradigms of Perception with which we, as mankind, and all sentient creatures, have to do. Regarding a discussion of BRASH, I believe it deserves to be taken seriously as a hypothesis so that, rather than being seen as merely a disagreement with the proposal that the cortex produces consciousness, it should be viewed as an attempt at an end-to-end explanation of consciousness production. If you were sure, you’d change your mind and take the opposing view, that Instinct is the Rule of Reason, and ultimately Science on every human level. Memories, of course, are encoded as gestalts with emotional context in addition to events. It’s a little better with an actual blog post, where we get to work with a rich text editor, can save drafts, etc, although I’m still using the old editor, not having found the newer ones very enticing. About Joseph LeDoux. What do you think of LeDoux’s various stances? About Synaptic Self. Therefore, it is typically assumed that any responses in, for example, decerebrate mammals cannot be used reliably to identify which species or developmental stages feel pain (Box 1-3).â [Italics and bold are mine]. That being said, letâs turn once again to the conundrums list. But that has by now stretched to years so that I, for one, would welcome the abandonment by everyone of Nagelsâ supposed insight and the shorthand nounification âWhat-itâs-likeness.â. I suspect if they do have instrumental behavior, it’s far more limited than what mammals and birds have. You would decide the subject matter, and the content would be discoverable by search engines. For starters, itâs an actual hypothesis which makes it different from the comments about consciousness that prevail on your blogâit provides clear definitions and an end-to-end explanation of the brainâs production of sentience. 1 and 2: Upon rereading several brain evolution papers, a subject I havenât paid attention to for over a year, I believe that the subject itself and any and all conclusions are far too speculative to contribute substantially to our discussion. You might be outraged, but I see no convincing evidence hydranencephalics are conscious. So âto be conscious toâ quickly became a cousin to the much older expression âto be aware ofâ.â, âThe expression âconsciousâ was introduced into philosophy, almost inadvertently, by Descartes. It is a Tribunal of Reason, before which scientists and mathematicians may be arraigned for their transgressions. Yes, I believe I misinterpreted as you say. If, however, Merkerâs opposing view were considered then one would have to assume that decerebrate mammals would be conscious of pain, raising the ethical issues the paper is primarily concerned with. So I see two forms of âappearanceâ. Posted Aug 10, 2015 Activity was replaced by inertia, and people were left emotionally blunted and restricted in their intellectual range.â. Consciousness (sentience) happens when the event is a representation, i.e., when the Input ârepresents an object/conceptâ and the mechanism âinterpretsâ that Input as representing the object/concept and the Output is a âvaluableâ response to that object/concept. LeDouxâs neuroscience background is apparently Behaviorist and he did time with Gazzaniga also. Although LeDoux does allow that at least simple deliberation is possible in other primates. The embodied characteristic of thought is obvious when we consider that thinking in words is vocalization-inhibited speechâphysical subvocalizations that can be detected by the wayâand thinking in pictures is sight-inhibited vision. It had to be said. Episodic memory is different from PFS, I think, although they may be somehow related. Much of the difficulty, I think, is that consciousness is a pre-scientific inherently dualistic notion that doesn’t have a direct correlate in the objective world. My experience is that the “simple” ones are vague and the precise ones are incomplete. Libri in inglese di joseph-ledoux: tutti i titoli e le novità in vendita online a prezzi scontati su IBS. Is the singularity right around the corner? You mention âBarrett also sees emotions only existing in humans, although she makes allowances for animals to have affects, simpler more primal valenced feelings such as hunger, pain, etc.â. Stephen, Innately known associations, and learned associations. JOSEPH LEDOUX is the Henry and Lucy Moses Professor of Science at New York University, where he is a member of the Center for Neural Science and Department of Psychology. In short, to say that âthe brain produces consciousnessâ is the same as saying that âthe brain produces feelings.â. Itâs also meant to convey why I donât think thereâs actually any fact of the matter on the definition.â. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. We depend on our words… Our task is to communicate experience and ideas to others. Their relation is probably similar to what I described in the post between action-outcome and deliberative-action. In hopes of seeding the responses, the fundamental concepts of BRASH are: Consciousness: After DamÃ¡sio, consciousness is a feeling composed of multiple tracks of feelings corresponding to all sensory tracks, additionally identifying thought as a feeling, both thinking in words and thinking in pictures. Since the cortical consciousness hypothesis maintains that the cortex also produces the conscious âdisplayâ of that resolved content the conundrum is this: How are all of those (presumably) conscious images combined into the unified experience known as the stream of consciousness? It turns out that in order to explain consciousness you do need an additional causal power, namely Aristotleâs final cause. Fetch the PDF at: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/ 312973265_Split_brain_Divided_perception_but_undivided_consciousness&usg. Another good source on vertebrate brain evolution. Dehaene supports GWT: âWhen we say that we are aware of a certain piece of information, what we mean is just this: the information has entered into a specific storage area that makes it available to the rest of the brain” and “The flexible dissemination of information, I argue, is a characteristic property of the conscious state.”. In its early forms, it occurred in phrases such as âbeing conscious to anotherâ and âbeing conscious to somethingâ. I also recommend Feinberg and Mallatt’s ‘The Ancient Origins of Consciousness’ or Gerald Schneider’s ‘Brain Structure and Its Origins’ (although the latter is pricey) for more detailed information on vertebrate brain evolution. But now, Mike, how about discussing all the rest? And as Bjorn Merker noted, most of the connections from the cerebrum down to the midbrain are inhibitory in nature, which doesn’t seem to leave much room for all the mental content being shunted down there for presentation, but is compatible with higher level circuits selectively allowing or inhibiting motor reflexes. It feels like an increasingly futile effort. Note: some of these predictions, i.e., the creation of mechanisms, happen during evolution, and some can happen at (nearly) real time. And that mechanism is the causal power, specifically the efficient cause according to Aristotle, the Input and Output being the material and formal causes respectively.”. And thanks for the italics fix Mike. Consciousness in newbornsâunless you wish to maintain that human newborns cannot feel anything, 4. But I haven’t seen any indication it’s involved in actual awareness. I had doubts about Pinto, et al.’s methodology when I first read the paper. He also directs the Emotional Brain Institute located at the Nathan Kline Institute and at NYU and is a professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Department of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at NYU Langone Medical School. I differ with him in that I view those as cortically produced pre-conscious images. A unified single consciousness is the well-recognized integrated stream of consciousness. Nella collana Scienza e idee ha pubblicato Il Sé sinaptico (2002), Ansia (2016) e Lunga storia di noi stessi (2020). Is it still intellect, albeit simple? The implication is that the difference in behaviors must be due to the differences between decortication and decerebration such that those conscious behaviors noted by Merker must be a result of non-cortical cerebral structures. I much prefer “forgetting to chart a hierarchy.” … ð. On the other hand, solving complex problems usually only happens with conscious awareness. 2. - Behavior, mind, and the 4 billion year history of life. Conundrums 6, Cortical Consciousness (still) 0, Mike, I sometimes get the impression that you and LeDoux and your ilk only wish to grant consciousness to immediate relatives and consciousness philosophers … and you arenât so sure about your relatives. Two of your concerns, Mike, from your Consciousness Hierarchy, are Prediction and Imagination. Put another way, affective feelings are high level representations of firing survival circuits (and the interoceptive feedback from their physiological effects). Consciousness in newborns without a cortex and its frequent non-diagnosis for several months, 5. (In this context, the name of your blog, âSelfAwarePatternsâ is most suggestive.). LeDoux attended Louisiana State University in Baton Rougewhere he majored in Business Administration and minored in Psychology. Note that, in marked contrast, the definition of consciousness anchoring the BRASH proposal, that consciousness is a feeling, is a definition provided by AntÃ³nio DamÃ¡sio, a neuroscientist. I often get responses from people that there’s no difficulty. Simple logic indicates that you must be supportive of that proposal, which would be a radical departure from any current cortical consciousness proposals. This delayed response for DCS is counterintuitive at first, as one may suspect that bypassing the ascending peripheral afferents through DCS would reduce the distance traversed by the sensory volley and consequently result in faster reaction times. If youâve read my previous comments, youâre familiar with the BRASH proposal which is largely based on the information from Damasioâs The Feeling of What Happens, his paper âConsciousness and the brainstemâ (link provided above) and Merkerâs âConsciousness without a cerebral cortexâ available here: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Consciousness-without-a-cerebral-cortex:-a-for-and-Merker/035bc51a8b0c6bf8eba1000576e567f179ddaeb6. For example if you see an apple hanging in a tree, and you move your gaze to the tree trunk while keeping the apple in your peripheral vision, you are not getting enough visual information to identify that green blotch on the side as an apple, but using the mechanism of short-term memory you can predict that that blotch is the apple you were looking directly at a second ago. Congrats. My word processor and text editor are fine with it, but you never know. (Which makes its meaning consistent with the previous sentence. I omit the paragraphs following that one but the complete information is in Merkerâs âConsciousness without a cerebral cortexâ and includes references for the experiments performed, all of which Iâve mentioned previously. I did read Hacker’s paper back when you shared it on Eric’s blog. You can call that “consciousness”. Such an argument also assumes that, evolutionarily, any cortical subregions involved in pain became so only after their specialization into these subregions (thus ignoring the possible functions of these regionsâ evolutionary precursors). By the way, I think that our experiences while weâre dreaming are a consequence of this cortical story processing, unfettered from sensory input and, hence, dreamlike. On intelligence and the pattern matching, but why does that pattern matching happen? Can you convincingly say that this statement is NOT an anthropocentric perspective, even a conceit worthy of Narcissus? Animal studies have established that decerebrated animals only have reflexive behavior. The idea of juxtaposing independent images to create new ones seems so routine to our thought processes it is hard to think of it as a recent innovation. I Got a Mind to Tell You. I disagree that we face an insurmountable problem with that fundamental definition as you can see from BRASHâs definition (from Damasio and others) of consciousness, namely, that consciousness is a feeling. Joseph LeDoux, uno dei più importanti studiosi di neurobiologia, insegna al Center for Neural Science and Psychology della New York University.Nella collana Scienza e â¦ Pattern matching is that facility that ultimately improves the richness and detail of consciousness, which is the felt simulation of being an organism centered in a world. Nevertheless, even the more sophisticated expression of intellect itself is still grounded in the more primitive embodiment of feelings and sensations. Iâll close this comment about neuroscientistâs hypotheses about consciousness with the opinion that none but DamÃ¡sio appear to be proposing a genuine scientific hypothesis. Your equating the phrase âaffect consciousnessâ with sentience is suspicious. My own blog? TouchÃ© Stephen! So, with great hopes of refocusing on the issue: 1. Iâm not asking what predictions can be made from a smell. As someone who’s cared for many dogs, I definitely agree that the sense that someone is there is very powerful. And itâs not. Furthermore, it does not clarify the states of animals whose nervous systems differ greatly from that of humans but may still have analogous structures and functions (e.g., invertebrates, which lack a central nervous system, and birds or fish, which have complex forebrains but no neocortex …â. Iâm referring to sentience, as in babies âfeel[ing] being touched, held and huggedâ and you responded with statements about behavior. BRASH defines both of those as outcomes of cortical story pattern matching, as follows: Representing stories as linked ânarrativeâ components, the metaphor has the structure A â¡ B, where âAâ, âBâ and so on are fundamental story primitives such as facts. Rather than the usual conception of thought as some airy, ghostly thing (hence body-mind dualism), the embodied characteristic of thought is obvious when we consider that thinking in words is vocalization-inhibited speechâphysical subvocalizations that can be detected by the wayâand thinking in pictures, as autist Temple Grandin reports, is, similarly, sight-inhibited vision.â. All you’ve done James is restate the hard problem. Joseph Ledoux: tra paura e difesa. According to my definition, consciousness is a framework or an underlying architecture, a qualitative property if you will which is fully capable of accommodating all of the identifiable attributes which are intrinsic to that architecture, hence the term, wild-card…, Let me quote Niels Bohr: “What is it that we humans depend on? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK32659/#ch2.s1. If so, those degrees havenât yet yielded any credible hypotheses other than this one, which, in recognition of itâs origins Iâll generalize as the DamÃ¡sio-BRASH theory. And without sentience, the intellect is an impotent unmotivated engine. 3-4. We must strive continually to extend the scope of our description, but in such a way that our messages do not thereby lose their objective or unambiguous character â¦ We are suspended in language in such a way that we cannot say what is up and what is down.”. And it is not okay to say that Consciousness is the secret ingredient of causal power, anymore than it would be okay to say angels are the secret ingredient, or peanut butter. But agreeing on which of those capabilities either make or fail to make them conscious? And, again, the only âpre-mammalian capabilityâ required for consciousness is simple sentienceâto feel a single physical feeling is to be conscious of that feeling. These are not behavioral observations of button pressesâthe test subjects reported their experience (consciousness) of the touches by pressing a button. We all just need to agree on a definition. A knee-jerk reflex is a prediction. Rule of Reason? According to Wikipedia: “Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively.” In contrast: “intellect… the ability of the mind to come to correct conclusions about what is true or real, and about how to solve problems.” Based upon these agreed upon definitions, it appears that both sentience and intellect are attributes of consciousness, and therefore not the underlying qualitative property of consciousness as such. On the rest, Stephen, you chronically misrepresent my positions. Ponderings of science, philosophy, history, society, and many other topics. If we’re all agreed that we’re speaking English as a common tongue with agreed upon meanings for words (and our conversations are pointless babblings if not), that’s over a century of sentient meaning conscious. I donât view your replies as a rehashing, Mike, but as a perplexing series of dodges around the core issue of where in the brain conscious images are âdisplayed,â which I continue to believe is the subject under discussion. I’ve created a PDF of all of the relevant comments for a consciousness reference (should one be needed) in “Einstein’s Breadcrumbs” … and, by the way, BRASH is compatible with the block universe of relativity physics, which we’ve discussed previously. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. New York University. BRASH follows DamÃ¡sio completely, while differing from his thinking by characterizing all cortically produced images as pre-conscious, whereas DamÃ¡sio believes that some cortically produced images are in-and-of-themselves conscious, a position BRASH rejects as incorporating the Unity of Conscious Presentation conundrum common to all cortical consciousness proposals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebrum#Other_animals Mike, significant conundrum clarification seems necessary: 1. There is sentience, which is clearly grounded in the primordial architecture of feelings and sensations or the “what it is like” to be some thing. But it is to Locke, almost fifty years later, that we must turn to find the most influential, fully fledged, philosophical concept of consciousness that was to dominate reflection on the nature of the human mind thenceforth. I’m sure Vyshedskiy’s paper broke too late for LeDoux to incorporate it, but it does resonate with his and Tulving’s view that episodic memory is a very late development. In my view the theories mentioned (and others not discussed) leave a great deal to be desired in terms of proposing a mechanism for the production, resolution and final âdisplayâ of conscious images. Of course we’d expect neural signalling before conscious awareness. Autobiographical Self: After DamÃ¡sio, the autobiographical self is âthe extended form of self which includes one’s identity and is anchored both in our past and anticipated future.â Importantly, per BRASH, the autobiographical self is a Story, the ongoing story of our life. I like the word: Poppycock. If, indeed, credible research has shown that all consciously performed activities are retained in memory, Iâd appreciate a reference, because Iâm unable to find it. Similar to the fact that the search for the old elan vital of biology didn’t result in one theory, but a galaxy of microbiological and organic chemistry models, I think consciousness studies will result in a wide range of interacting theories. Given the history of this subject, that feels similar to saying we just need to agree on world peace. So, letâs call it Concessions 3, Conundrums 3 and Cortical Consciousness 0 â¦ ð. Joseph LeDoux. Everything that happens, every change, every event, can be described in terms of Inputâ>[mechanism]â>Output. LeDoux’s views are similar to Lisa Feldmann Barrett’s constructive emotions theory, and contrast with views such as Jaak Panksepp, who saw consciously felt emotion in the lowest level survival circuits.Â Barrett also sees emotions only existing in humans, although she makes allowances for animals to have affects, simpler more primal valenced feelings such as hunger, pain, etc.Â I’m not sure what LeDoux’s position is on affects.Â He doesn’t mention them in this book. TEST: [ â â â]. Intelligence is about prediction. As an example, consider driving home along a route thatâs been repeated so many times that itâs well-established in memory. But, ironically, it turns out that the âfinal causeâ is a causation that happens prior to the material cause. In other words, they’re mostly reflex driven, if not entirely so. That’s Feinberg and Mallatt’s view based on sensory processing. One cannot have a coherent conversation about consciousness without first addressing the objective reality of power. The relationship between usefulness and falsifiability, Follow SelfAwarePatterns on WordPress.com. https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/42/4/743/659098 I’ll check it out. 5. BRASH is additionally grounded in a clear definition of the term consciousness, a definition missing from most philosophical theories of consciousness, which is an invalidating deficiency from a scientific viewpoint. But that hasnât happened, perhaps because of my off-putting scientific and biological focus as opposed to the several philosophical theories proposed here. But I suspect most people here won’t read it. So I’m not surprised Gazzaniga found issues with it. Every animal structure had a precursor and none of them has ever popped wholly into existence from some inexplicable major new section appearing in a creatureâs DNA. Semantic Scholar profile for Joseph E LeDoux, with 4067 highly influential citations and 559 scientific research papers. Memory: Multi-sensory stored gestalts that are stories. His numbers were between 50k and 200k years. True, but they sometimes don’t. Likewise. Quoting a previous comment, a FAP is: â… a Fixed Action Pattern, in which a very short to medium length sequence of actions, without variation, are carried out in response to a corresponding clearly defined stimulus.â. Nowhere does it say, or even imply, that sentienceâconsciousness itselfâis reduced. Indeed, the sciences (and to a lesser degree mathematics), in our times, are the primary source of misguided metaphysicsâwhich it is the task of philosophy to curb, not to encourage.â. I kid, I kid … but the technique worked and the AIâs moral decision making was vastly improved. Mike, Iâm sorry that you feel like I chronically misrepresent your positions and I would much appreciate learning from you the specifics of any misrepresentations you have identified. In keeping with tradition and for ease of reference, Iâll go ahead and name the hypothesis the, … which I intend in the âstrong, energetic, or highly spirited, (perhaps) in an irreverent wayâ sense of the definition of the word brash. Story: See the extensive description of Story I provided in my comment beginning âThe Collins Dictionaryâ. The configuration does not produce the feeling of a touchâit IS the feeling itself, such as a touch on your upper arm. That configuration IS a feelingâof a touch, for example, localized by the configurationâs location in the body map. Iâve additionally specified the Story as the logical unit of the brainâs processing and explained that current input to cortical processing, sensory and otherwise, is accumulated real-time into a developing Story that is pattern-matched against memories which are stored and retrieved as multi-sensory Story gestalts. Forebrains in pre-mammalians: ”, Stephen, you quoted it just above this sentence: “and people were left emotionally blunted…”. The field has now matured to the point where a sharper conceptualization of what is being studied could be very useful as we go forward. “There is evidence that a deficit in PFS in humans presents as language which is “impoverished and show[s] an apparent diminution of the capacity to ‘prepositionize’. On simplicity, after reading dozens of books on this subject, I now seriously doubt there will be one simple theory that answers it all. What’s its adaptive value? As you say: “I think weâre rational to assume theyâre not leading us that far astray for fellow mammals.”. I think I’ll go there, for the winter. For what it’s worth, there is a distinction between sentience and intellect, and that distinction needs to be recognized and respected whenever one discusses consciousness in order to avoid the chaos of discourse. The researchersâ unrecognized bias towards cortical consciousness is glaring because a consideration of brainstem sentience (which never occurred to them) would make it obvious that the direct touch is felt first as a consequence of a shorter, more direct neural route to the brainstem, which can immediately âimageâ the touch, while the processing delay inherent in cortical resolution of the direct cortical stimulus, likely including memory access for pattern matching, explains the results perfectly. These hypotheses, which also fail to provide a definition of consciousness before Shazam-ing it into existence, are scientifically unacceptable. 3-4. Although I havenât said so previously, let me add that the formation of NTCâsâof conscious feelingsâcan influence resolved action plans and result in precision physical adjustments as in, for instance, sporting activities like the catching of a curve ball. We understand our lives as stories and the bulk of the world’s economic activity is focused on and dedicated to the telling and distribution of stories of all kinds in all media. 3-4. In the meantime I’m consumed with diagnosing a problem with a Dell 3040 micro PC. Thatâs the discussion I would truly appreciate. As to the knee-jerk type physical reflex, although that particular reflexive bodily motion occurs without control, sans conscious intent, and is very difficult, if not impossible, to suppress, when the reflexive movement takes place in an awake individual, the bodily movement is decidedly felt, as you say, and the initial hammer strike on the knee is felt as well. Expectation: Also Prediction, the outcome of a Story pattern match as in, for example, the incoming sensory story A â B pattern-matching the remembered story A â B â C and yielding the conscious expectation of C. Imagination: Also Creativity, wherein the remembered story A â B â C combines with another remembered story B â E, allowing E to be unexpectedly promoted to consciousness in preference to C. Dreams: Cortically produced stories that âleakâ into consciousness during sleep. Iâm asking for an explanation of how cortical consciousness evolved from its precursor, not why. 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